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The other odd presentation about Matt's dural ectasias is that all the symptoms first appeared exactly as those of an abdomina aortic dissection. Severe back pain, severe abdominal pain and head ache. When asked the question "Is this like any other pain you have ever experienced?" the answer was NO! I have to tell that large amounts of morphine, demarol and even tried Toradol in the ER all day, but nothing brought his pain under control. Of course the first thing the cardiologist did was an echo, then a CT scan. She noticed the dural ectasias and felt that it was too significant a finding not to have something to do with his severe pain. This was after we eliminated any finding of abdominal aortic dissection) Matt was hospitalized with a morphine pump actually used another morphine like drug called Delauded, and still the pain was not controlled. It took several days to get the time in the scanner to have a full spinal and brain mri done. That is when the multiple ectasias showed up from cervical to sacral area down his spine. There was also ectasias around his optic nerves on the eyes, but that does not cause pain as there are no nerves in that area.